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How the echoes work

Revelation is written in Greek, but its sentences are full of the Hebrew scriptures. In 258 of its 405 verses, wording from those scriptures has been found and marked. This page explains how an echo is found, tested and labelled, what it shows and what it cannot, and how it keeps what the text says apart from what Jon makes of it.

The numbers on this page are counted from the notes each time the site is built, so they stay current.


1What an echo is, and why it matters

An echo is a place where Revelation’s wording shares words with an earlier scripture closely enough that a reader who knew the earlier passage would hear it.

John almost never tells you he is borrowing. Revelation never says “it is written” (that was checked), and it has no footnotes. He builds his sentences out of earlier ones, so the only way to see the borrowing is to put the wording side by side. That is all an echo is: a recorded, checkable overlap of words, with the older passage named and the closeness stated.

Why it matters

  1. The book explains itself. The figures people argue about most — the one like a son of man, the lamb, the animal, Babylon, the two witnesses — are introduced in words that already meant something in the scriptures John’s first readers knew. Following the words back lets the older text speak before any later system does.
  2. It limits interpretation from both sides. An echo points to one particular older passage, with its own surroundings. A reading that goes against those surroundings has to say why. A reading that fits them has something to stand on.
  3. It is the evidence the translation’s own rules call for. The translation is made from the Greek, with no English versions consulted, and no later framework (dispensationalist, preterist, futurist or any other) may decide a word. Scripture read against scripture is what is left to decide with, and echoes are where that happens on the page.
  4. It makes the work checkable. Every marker can be opened, the two passages compared, and the closeness judged by the reader. Someone who disagrees can see exactly what they disagree with.
  5. It shows where the text is silent. A verse with no echo has no older passage behind it that we have found. Anything said about that verse has to come from somewhere else, and the rest of this page is partly about how that “somewhere else” gets labelled.

2The process, step by step

Step 1 — Choose the sources, and the rules for them

Three texts are used, and each is open: the Nestle 1904 Greek New Testament for Revelation itself (public domain, with its morphology released under CC0); Swete’s Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures that John’s readers would have heard (a digital edition under CC BY-SA 4.0); and the Westminster Leningrad Codex, the Hebrew itself, through the OpenScriptures project (public domain). Sources whose licences restrict use were left out on purpose, and no English translation is consulted, for wording or for checking.

The Septuagint is not enough on its own. Where John follows the Hebrew and the Greek translation goes another way, only the Hebrew shows it. At 18:22 he has Jeremiah’s millstones; the Greek translation of that verse has perfume in their place. That echo is invisible to a program that only reads Greek, which is why the Hebrew is always checked by hand.

Step 2 — Let a program propose candidates, with no theology in it

A small program compares Revelation with the Septuagint, verse by verse, and lists places where the two share distinctive words. It knows nothing about doctrine. How it matches:

In its most recent run it scored 452,851 pairs of verses, and listed 13,875 candidates scoring 5 or more, a median of 29 for each verse of Revelation. It is deliberately generous: it would rather hand a person too many candidates than hide one.

Step 3 — Grade the program against the notes already made

The program checks itself. Of the 186 places where an echo note was already marked, it had the right source as its single best candidate for 58, in its top five for 96, in its top ten for 106, and somewhere in the list for 163. So it finds a little over half in its top five, and it misses echoes that rest on the Hebrew, on a name, or on a single distinctive word. That is why it only proposes.

Step 4 — A person reads every candidate in the original

Each candidate is read in the Greek and, where the Hebrew may differ, in the Hebrew. The questions are the same for each: Are the shared words distinctive, or stock vocabulary that would match any list of gold or wine? Is it the same sentence, a name, or only a shared image? Is it a common formula (“thus says the Lord”) that scores well by accident? A candidate is marked, rejected, or held back as looser than the standard. The 195 echo notes are what survived; the list the program produced was far longer.

Step 5 — Read the verses the program did not flag

A program that only sees shared vocabulary has a blind spot, so a second pass was made by hand. Every one of the 292 verses that then carried no echo marker was read and checked in Swete, in Nestle 1904 or in the Leningrad Codex, which added 51 more notes. The same lesson came from a separate scan of the seven letters (chapters 2–3) against every verse of the New Testament outside Revelation, made for the purple layer. It missed two links that were later found by hand, the name Judah at 2:9 and the phrase “named a Jew”, because every word they share (Ioudaios, lego) is so common that the program discounts it. A program’s silence is not evidence that nothing is there.

Step 6 — Apply the green bar

The first of the five note layers, green, is held to a strict standard:

The standard has been applied to its own candidates. Nimrod was tested as an echo behind the name Nikolaos, which suggests “conquers the people”; but Genesis calls Nimrod a gibbor and the Greek has gigas kynegos, so neither half of the word is there, and it was cut.

Step 7 — Sort every note into a layer

Each kind of claim gets its own colour, so a reader always knows what sort of statement they are looking at. The count is of notes as they stand today.

LayerIt saysNotes
Green, echoWording shared with the Hebrew scriptures, identifiable from the words. The strict bar above.195
Blue, culturalWhat a first-century reader in these cities knew.25
Grey, translationA decision about a word or a phrase, including where the Greek is genuinely ambiguous.23
Purple, later writingsWording shared with the rest of the New Testament. Chapters 2–3 only, because those are letters to assemblies that had been taught.18
Gold, readingInterpretation. It says so at the start, and says how far it reaches.57

The first four are reporting layers: they say what the words are, what they were taken to mean, or what a decision was. Gold is the only layer that argues, and it is labelled so.

Step 8 — Place the marker on the exact words

The marker sits on the words the note is about, not on the whole verse. Two notes can share a phrase (an echo and a translation decision at 1:6, for instance), and one word of a phrase can be handed to one note and the rest to the other. Echoes are numbered once through the book, in reading order, so the same note keeps its number wherever it returns. In the margin, and inline on a narrow screen, each marker shows its layer’s colour.

Step 9 — Count carefully, and check the counts

A note once counted verses where it said words. Asked whether a note’s “thirteen times” was a mistake, a re-count found it was: the word occurs 15 times in 13 verses, because one verse has it three times. Every such figure in the published notes was then re-checked by word against verse; three published notes were wrong, and were corrected. A small tool now prints the words and the verses side by side for any figure a note wants to claim, and an audit of the gold notes, the front matter and the checkable claims in the others is part of the record. Errors found are corrected, and a list of the ones still open is kept.

Step 10 — Review, and publication

Jon makes every editorial call. Reporting notes may be published for him to read on the site; gold readings are his to approve, and until he has read one it carries a line saying so (10 readings carry that line today). Every reader page says that the work is a second draft and that each reader can decide for themselves what the scriptures say and whether Jon’s arguments hold.

3One echo worked through

Revelation 1:7 shows each step on a single verse.

Revelation 1:7Ἰδοὺ ἔρχεται μετὰ τῶν νεφελῶν, καὶ ὄψεται αὐτὸν πᾶς ὀφθαλμὸς καὶ οἵτινες αὐτὸν ἐξεκέντησαν, καὶ κόψονται ἐπ’ αὐτὸν πᾶσαι αἱ φυλαὶ τῆς γῆς.“Look — he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, including the ones who stabbed him, and all the tribes of the earth will beat their chests over him.” (the translation as it stands)
Daniel 7:13, Greek (Theodotion)καὶ ἰδοὺ μετὰ τῶν νεφελῶν τοῦ οὐρανοῦ ὡς υἱὸς ἀνθρώπου ἐρχόμενος“and look, with the clouds of heaven, one like a son of man coming”
Daniel 7:13, Greek (Old Greek)καὶ ἰδοὺ ἐπὶ τῶν νεφελῶν τοῦ οὐρανοῦ ὡς υἱὸς ἀνθρώπου ἤρχετο“on the clouds of heaven” — a different preposition
Daniel 7:13, Aramaicעִם־עֲנָנֵי שְׁמַיָּא כְּבַר אֱנָשׁ אָתֵה הֲוָאim “with” the clouds of heaven — the preposition of Revelation and of Theodotion
Zechariah 12:10, Greekκόψονται ἐπ’ αὐτὸν“they will beat their chests over him” — the same words as the end of Revelation’s verse
  1. The program. It ranked Zechariah 12:10 first for this verse (score 10.6, shared words kopto “beat”, with the phrase above) and Daniel 7:13 second (score 8.2, shared words orao, erchomai, nephele, with the phrase μετὰ τῶν νεφελῶν).
  2. A person reads them. Both are distinctive, not stock phrases; both are in the same verse, and both are marked.
  3. The Hebrew settles something the Greek alone cannot. Revelation says meta, “with”. The Old Greek of Daniel says “on”; Theodotion’s Greek and the Aramaic say “with”. So John’s wording here follows the Aramaic and Theodotion’s version, not the Old Greek, and only the comparison shows it.
  4. The green bar. Shared phrase, shared sentence, one named older passage: green. The note says it takes the wording almost intact, and that in Daniel the phrase means a figure in human shape, set against the animal figures earlier in the vision.
  5. It comes back. The same Daniel passage is marked in four verses of Revelation (1:7, 1:13, 11:15, 14:14). That is one of the more connected echoes in the book; the table below lists the others.

What the echo does not say is what John means by it, or who the figure is. That is a reading, and it would be a gold note.

4The numbers

195echo notes
282places in the translation where an echo is marked
258of Revelation’s 405 verses carry at least one (64%)
30books of the Hebrew Bible echoed (of 39)

Which books the echoes come from

Counted from the passages named in each echo note’s title. A note that names two books is counted under both, and the verse count is the number of verses of Revelation carrying an echo from that book.

BookEcho notesVerses of Revelation
Isaiah4154
Daniel3152
Exodus2142
Ezekiel2740
Psalms2031
Jeremiah1720
Zechariah814
Genesis713
Deuteronomy810
Joel58
Numbers67
1 Kings66
Job44
Hosea44

The most connected echoes

Some echoes are marked more than once, because John goes back to the same passage. These are the ones marked in the most verses.

Older passageVersesWhere in Revelation
Exodus 32:32; Psalm 69:28; Daniel 12:163:5, 13:8, 17:8, 20:12, 20:15, 21:27
Exodus 7–1068:7, 16:2, 16:3, 16:4, 16:10, 16:13
Daniel 7:1341:7, 1:13, 11:15, 14:14
Exodus 19:16–1844:5, 8:5, 11:19, 16:18
Zechariah 1:8; 6:1–846:2, 6:4, 6:5, 6:8
Daniel 3:4; 7:1447:9, 11:9, 14:6, 17:15
Genesis 19:24; Ezekiel 38:2249:17, 19:20, 20:10, 21:8
Daniel 7:7, 24413:1, 17:3, 17:7, 17:12
Exodus 3:1431:4, 1:8, 11:17
Daniel 10:631:14, 2:18, 19:12
Isaiah 44:6; 48:1231:17, 2:8, 22:13
Psalm 2:8–932:27, 12:5, 19:15

Where the echoes fall, chapter by chapter

116 of 20
211 of 29
310 of 22
49 of 11
511 of 14
614 of 17
78 of 17
89 of 13
913 of 21
107 of 11
1117 of 19
1214 of 18
1310 of 18
1414 of 20
154 of 8
1614 of 21
1710 of 18
1815 of 24
1914 of 21
207 of 15
2117 of 27
2214 of 21

About half the verses carry an echo and about half do not. Two things can be true of a verse with no echo: John did not borrow identifiable wording there, or he did and it has not been found yet. The program only sees Greek, so the second is always possible.

Everything else

Besides the echoes, the notes include 25 cultural notes, 23 translation decisions, 18 notes on wording shared with the later writings, and 57 readings.

5Is it objective?

Partly. The observation is. The interpretation is not. The layers exist so that you can tell which one you are looking at.

What anyone can check

What is a judgment

So the honest claim is narrower than “objective”. The echo layer is a checkable observation: it makes a claim about the text that anyone can test against the text. The interpretation built on top of it is not neutral, and it is not presented as neutral. The system is designed to keep those two apart and to make the join visible.

6Where opinion reaches past the text

Because every kind of statement is labelled, a statement that goes beyond what the text shows shows up as being in the wrong place. That is the use of the whole structure. There are four tools:

  1. The layer itself. Green, blue, grey and purple notes report. If a claim is argued, it is in a gold note, and a gold note opens by declaring that it is interpretation and shows how far it reaches.
  2. Marked sections. Where a reading is Jon’s own view and not simply what the texts give, the section is headed as his. There are currently 134 such headings in the readings.
  3. Red flag on any claim that is not found anywhere in scripture. A flag does not mean the claim is wrong. It means the text does not say it, so the reader should know it is a step outside the text, and the note gives the nearest texts on each side. There are 65 flags across 25 readings today.
  4. The unread line on a reading Jon has not yet read through, so a reader knows the wording may change.

What a flag looks like

These are real flags from the readings, shortened:

In each, the reading is his and is stated as his; the flag marks the exact point at which it goes past what scripture says, so that the reader can follow the scriptures up to that line and decide for themselves whether to cross it.

A test you can run

Take any gold note. Read the translation and its green markers alone, then read the note. Whatever the note adds beyond what the words and the echoes support is the interpretation. If it is not found in scripture it should carry a flag, and if it is, the nearest texts are cited so you can check the step yourself.

7What the method cannot do

8Check one yourself

  1. Open chapter 1 and click the green marker on he is coming with the clouds at 1:7. The note names Daniel 7:13 and says how close it is.
  2. Open the Greek text of Revelation 1:7 and of Daniel 7:13 and compare the words for yourself. The sources are the Nestle 1904 Greek New Testament, Swete’s Septuagint and the Hebrew and Aramaic of the Westminster Leningrad Codex.
  3. Ask whether the shared words are distinctive and whether the note’s closeness line is fair.
  4. If you disagree, say so. jon.pjcomputing@gmail.com. A disagreement about an echo is the most useful kind, because it can be settled by the words.